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It depends on what you want it for. If you want a shooter or a "remember when" gift for a vet, go with a Mitchell's. But they have little collectors value and are unlikely to ever increase much. They devalue the day you buy them. But if you find a nice bringback it will increase in value over time, and have more historical value. |
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A shot from last weekend...
My 10/22 but not me shooting. http://m-mason.smugmug.com/photos/487782328_axinK-L.jpg -Mark. |
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Big Shooting in Alabama. The liberal media is going to use this tragedy to spread their anti-gun agenda. Join the NRA and let your politicians know you will not give up your second amendment right.
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When did it become our job to control guns in Mexico. Take a look at this yahoo article.
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Just a friendly reminder: if you can't talk about something without dragging politics into it, do not discuss it at Cigar Asylum.
And, for the sake of the rest of the community, do not ruin a thread that other people are enjoying by dragging politics into it and forcing us to close it. |
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Not really politics, but man, there is a huge rush on the Dept of Agriculture here in Florida for CCW's......
Florida struggles with backlog of 95,000 CCW permit requests Talk about a state agency under the gun. The Miami Herald reports that the state Division of Licensing has a backlog 95,000 applications for concealed carry weapons permits and budget shortfalls are preventing it from keeping up with the spike in demand. As a result, the legislature may consider a midyear budget transfer of nearly $4 million to help ease the situation. A friend of mine is on day 120 and still waiting and the state law requires issue within 90 days of recieving application. They just approved 60 temp workers to be hired to try to help with the logjam in Tallahassee. I was at the range last Weds and the AR's are flying off the shelves and ammo is getting harder to come by. If things get too bad, I'm holing up at Jordan or Elderboy's house and I'll bring the MREs. Just in case, I am hitting the gun show this weekend and seeing what i can stock up on.... |
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The Gander Mountain near me was completely out of .223, and I bought the last of their 30-06 150gr rounds. Went over to Dicks and got the last 200 rounds of .223 they had. |
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Just ordered a H-S Precision magazine retrofit kit for my Rem 700
Hopefully they start makin mags bigger than 4...a 10 rounder would be nice! http://territorialsupplies.com/Merch...roduct_Count=1 |
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All depends who you know :) Stocks, grips, lowers, lower parts kits and upper receivers(just the receiver) are all easily acquirable in under 3 weeks time for minimal inflated value. Barrels and BCG's on the other hand... good f*$&*#ing luck. :r |
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If you happen to have a reference to a good deal on a barrel that is legal in ultra-*word omitted due to CA's political policy, but use your imagination* NYS, I'm all ears. |
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Wouldn't happen to need such a thing would you? :) |
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I know we've got a lawyer on the mod staff, and I know I'm just a lowly engineer, but I hope I've properly handled that one. Mr. Croatan, what sayeth you? ;) |
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After reading this thread I got so horny for my guns that I'm going to pull them all out of my safe and clean them and talk to them and tuck them back into bed and read them a bedtime story. I'll try to post a pic of my modest collection some time soon. Now everyone go join the NRA and send them a big check (I am a Patron member)!
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I'm looking for a 22lr target gun. Very interested in a revolver. I kinda like the idea of a double action, but I hear the trigger pull is pretty stiff. I've been eyeing the Taurus Model 94 and the Ruger Single Six. I've looked at S&W, but they're a bit out of my price range. I've seen Single Six's go for around $350 on gunbroker, give or take a little, that's pretty much my upper range. Anything else I should consider? Any opinions on DA vs SA rimfire revolvers?
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=125007756
these are great for .22 and uber accurate, but not a revolver if that is what you really want. |
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Nice pics guys! :tu
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Great pics Roland!!!!!:tu:dance::wo
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Roland .. got any info on that Oregon engraved lower?
That's are pretty sweet :D Should mention I'm local... in Corvallis. |
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Ever kick yourself for passing up a good deal? I was at the range tonight and saw the owner finish cleaning a P6, and put a tag on it for $319. The gun had a little wear, but was dated '98 and had factory night sights. I've got a P6 already so I passed on it... but mine is dated '79, needs new springs, has plain iron sights and a lot more wear. By the time I got home I regretted my decision, left a voice mail and an email for the shop hoping they'll set it aside for me until after work tomorrow. Hopefully they check messages before the gun sells!
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Well, gentlemen. The attack is upon us. No, they are not coming for our weapons. They're going for the ammo.
Read it for yourself. DOD Ends Sale of Expended Military Brass to Remanufacturers We all wondered when it was going to start--when the new administration would make their move against us as gun owners. Oh, everyone got upset about HR45--I'll bet I got over 100 e-mails warning me about this draconian gun registration bill that had been introduced in Congress. I was really glad to see Tom Gresham, host of "Gun Talk Radio," an editor, writer, television host on "Self-Defense TV," and one of the foremost gun spokespersons, come out and tell everyone to stop worrying about legislation so absolutely over-the-top--it would never get out of committee. Tom said save your energy for when we really need it--don't expend it trying to warn everyone in your e-mail list about legislation that would go nowhere. Now, Tom just interviewed me, and Larry Haynie, owner of Georgia Arms (http://www.georgia-arms.com/), on Gun Talk (http://www.guntalk.com/)--and Tom agrees, now is the time to "...unleash the hounds..." by which he means start e-mailing and writing your senators and congressmen. Now it has come clear...now we know what they intend to do. It is an end-run around Congress. They don't need to try to ban guns--they don't need to fight a massive battle to attempt gun registration, or limit "assault" weapon sales. Nope. All they have to do is limit the amount of ammunition available to the civilian market, and when bullets dry up, guns will be useless. Think we jest? Here are copies of two letters sent to Georgia Arms just Thursday evening--effectively cancelling a contract he had to purchase 30,000 pounds of expended military brass in .223, 7.62mm, and .50 caliber: Dear Valued Customer: Please take a moment to note important changes set forth by the Defense Logistics Agency: Recently it has been determined that fired munitions of all calibers, shapes and sizes have been designated to be Demil code B. As a result and in conjunction with DLA's current Demil code B policy, this notice will serve as official notification which requires Scrap Venture (SV) to implement mutilation as a condition of sale for all sales of fired munitions effective immediately. This notice also requires SV to immediately cease delivery of any fired munitions that have been recently sold or on active term contracts, unless the material has been mutilated prior to sale or SV personnel can attest to the mutilation after delivery. A certificate of destruction is required in either case. Thank you, DOD Surplus 15051 N Kierland Blvd # 300 Scottsdale, AZ 85254 March 12, 2009 Larry Haynie Georgia Arms PO Box 238 Villa Rica, GA 30180 Re: Event 7084-6200: Dear Larry Haynie, Effective immediately DOD Surplus, LLC, will be implementing new requirements for mutilation of fired shell casings. The new DRMS requirement calls for DOD Surplus personnel to witness the mutilation of the property and sign the Certificate of Destruction. Mutilation of the property can be done at the DRMO, if permitted by the Government, or it may be mutilated at a site chosen by the buyer. Mutilation means that the property will be destroyed to the extent prevents its reuse or reconstruction. DOD Surplus personnel will determine when property has been sufficiently mutilated to meet the requirements of the Government. If you do not agree with the new conditions of your spot sale, please sign the appropriate box provided below stating that you do not agree to the new terms and would like to cancel your purchase effective immediately. If you do agree to the new terms please sign in the appropriate box provided below to acknowledge your understanding and agreement with the new requirements relating to your purchase. Fax the signed document back to (480) 367-1450, emailed responses are not acceptable. Please respond to this request no later than close of business Monday, March 16th, 2009. Sincerely, Government Liquidation. Got that? From now on, remanufacturers of military brass will not be able to buy surplus brass from DOD--actually from Government Liquidators, llc.--the corporation that sells surplus materials for the U.S. government. At least, not in any form recognizable as once-fired brass ammunition. Now all brass ammunition will have to be shredded, and sold as scrap. Georgia Arms, who brought this to our attention, is the 5th largest ammunition manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition in the U.S. "We're right up there behind Hornady," Larry Haynie told me. He also told me with the cancellation of his contract to purchase this brass, and the ending of his ability to purchase any more expended military ammunition, he will have to severely curtail his operation--laying off approximately half his 60-person work force. Haynie further pointed out this move is a stupendous waste of taxpayer money--reducing the worth of the brass some 80%--from casings, to shredded bulk brass. He stated most of this will now go to foundries where it will be melted down, cast in shippable forms, and likely be sold to China, one of the largest purchasers of U.S. metals on the open market. Haynie was manufacturing over 1 million rounds of .223 ammunition every month, which he sold on the civilian market to resellers, and to law enforcement agencies across the country. He will start tomorrow sending cancellations of orders for .223 to law enforcement agencies all over the country. You can expect this to affect every bullet you purchase in the future--with no reloaded ammunition available, the already strained new manufacturers will be unable to meet demand. They are already turning out everything they can build for the military market. The civilian market is stressed to the point even reloading components have become hard to find. Now, with this hit, ammunition prices will go through the roof in the next year. Your quality piece, sitting in your gun rack, will become a very expensive wood and steel, or plastic and steel club. What can you do? Google "contact members of Congress" or simply type in http://www.congress.org/. When you reach that site, type in your zip code--it will give you all your representatives, senators, and their web pages. Or you can find the addresses and e-mails of your own senators and congressmen by going to http://www.senate.gov/ and http://www.house.gov/. Both pages have locator aids at the top of the page. |
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Following is an idea of a letter you can send your Congress-critters to help in the fight to stop this action by the Obama administration.
This isn't the future, gents. It's no longer a: "When are they going to make the push?", "I wonder what tactic they will use?", "What's their plan?" It is here. It is now. This move can effectively remove the ability for the average, everyday Joe to be able to enjoy the shooting sports by effectively making ammo either impossible to get or too expensive to be able to purchase. Write your congressman. Join the NRA. If you aren't part of the solution, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM. Help you fellow 2nd ammendment supporting, law-abiding citizens such as myself that are only interested in supporting the rights guaranteed us in the original Bill of Rights. The Honorable _________________________________________ Member of Congress from _________________________________ Dear Congressman _______________________________________: It has come to my attention that the Department of Defense has issued a directive that all expended military brass (fired cases) will now be shredded and sold for scrap material, rather than resold by Government Liquidators LLC to the civilian market for remanufacture. You may not be aware of it, but there is a severe shortage of ammunition available for sale to the public across the country, causing problems for shooters, hunters, and reloaders everywhere. Now, apparently the Obama administration, realizing they cannot move against private firearms ownership since the landmark decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in the Washington D.C./Heller case, has made their move in another way. By cutting off the resale of expended military ammunition to remanufacturers, they have put a stranglehold on the nation's ammunition supply. Further, they have reduced the return to the government on expended brass by 80%. What was sold for remanufacturer at a fair return to the government, will now cost the taxpayers untold sums of money as the cost of scrap brass is far below the price per pound for expended military ammunition. In addition, the use of remanufactured ammunition is a huge asset to law enforcement agencies across the country who buy millions of rounds of reloaded ammunition a year from these manufacturers for practice rounds. With this market gone, law enforcement will no longer be able to purchase inexpensive reloaded ammunition, and with the continuing combat status of military forces across the Middle East, original manufacturers of new ammunition are turning out everything they can make to the government, thus exacerbating the shortage of new ammunition in both the civilian and law enforcement market. Lastly, in these harsh economic times, does it not strike you as cold and calculating that the Obama administration has no compunction against ruining an industry that employs thousands of American citizens in the remanufacturing of sporting and military ammunition. One major resupplier, Georgia Arms, the fifth largest manufacturer of centerfire pistol and rifle ammunition has informed me he will have to quickly lay off half his 60-person workforce, as he has had to cancel contracts with dozens of police agencies who had contracted with him to supply them with remanufactured .223 ammunition. Georgia Arms has been practically put out of business by this directive that all expended military brass must be shredded. His current contracts have been canceled, and he is notifying his customers across the country he can no longer supply their ammunition needs. Please look into this immediately. This move by the Obama administration is nothing but a back-door strike against firearms ownership in this country--if shooters can't buy ammunition, the guns are little better than steel clubs--and this is obviously the intent. Thank you for your time and efforts in this serious attack against the Second Amendment rights of the American citizenry. Sincerely, |
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You guys and your guns!! Figured I post a few of my favorite sniping long guns. All three are custom made, top two are .308's bottom is an HS Precision Pro Series 2000 LA in 300 Mag.
http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/ http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/ http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9...D550/ry%3D400/ |
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there's a lot of great information and gun pictures in this thread. I'm in the process of filling out my firearms permit to purchase a handgun and wanted to see what kind of advice in terms of sites to peruse for research or to view models anyone could suggest? I don't have a range nearby me to use where I could fire different weapons to get a feel. I do have a few sporting goods stores which I can check into to see if they have any programs to allow you to fire different handguns.
Suggested models? I'm familiar with shotguns and rifles and have only fired a Glock 17 & 23. I do not have large hands so something compact is what I am looking for. The use will be for home/self-defense and to take out for target practice. I'm also going to be teaching my fiancee how to handle a gun. Oh, and I will joining the NRA. It makes me furious when the gov't tries BS like this and I'm glad there's a forum to get a lot of this information from. It's all very helpful. Anyone have any sites they suggest I take a look at as well? Forums, informational, research, or anything. Thank you all for your help. |
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Oops, when I saw you were filling out a permit form, I though you were talking about Concealed Carry. I now see you live in one of the crappiest gun law states right after Cali. For a nice range gun and home defense gun, try out the S&W M&P 9mm. 1911's are fun as well ;)
Thank you for joining the NRA. I can't think of a more important time to join the NRA than now. We are going to have an interesting time ahead of us. |
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I also have smaller hands and have gone back and forth between semi autos before finding what I believe is the perfect compact handgun; the Smith and Wesson 642 Airweight 38 special.
The debate will always go back and forth, but for me, it is the perfect handgun and one many pros carry. It conceals well and is as light as just about any compact I have held. I have recently put on Crimson Trace Laser grips and am as happy as can be. I do have a Taurus 357 magnum, but it is too big to carry and is uncomfortable for me to shoot due to the heavy kick. http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/c...e69/SW38sp.jpg |
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Haha, yeah elberboy I live in NJ which SUCKS when it comes to owning a firearm among all of the many other reasons why new Jersey is such a crapass state. (which is why I have plans to move to NC but that's when the market picks back up a bit). i really appreciate all of your help and feedback. I totally forgot about ar15.com It's a good site, I've been on it before a couple of times over the years just never stayed steady with it. I can't conceal carry so that's out of the question for now but thanks for the suggestions.. I'm going to check out the S&W M&P 9mm on the web. I've seen quite a few people recommend the Springfielf Armory XD line as a first handgun so I am also looking at that (the compact). And anything I can do to support our cause, cigars or firearms alike, I will help out in any way. I'm even going to email my congressman based off of catfish's awesome information and template. |
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Nice snubnose floyd! Really sharp. |
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How do u feel about the H-S Precision products? |
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