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BigFrank 05-01-2011 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1251018)
Just a way of life for guys like us, Frank, hard to imagine not being able to go anymore.

I have been able to put on a good amount of muscle again the last couple months, just wish I could take a couple more inches off my waist. Maybe I will just eat fish on vacation this week. :r

Ain't that that truth Tom. Might be time to switch the diet up a bit?

icehog3 05-01-2011 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1251165)
Ain't that that truth Tom. Might be time to switch the diet up a bit?

I have actually cut portions back, Frank, cut out the majority of carbs...I think I have just hit that age where my metabolsim just ain't what it used to be.

Patrick B 05-03-2011 12:20 AM

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Great day today. Finally achieved the 300 pound bench. Not very much room to spare, but it was all me. I would like to try 315 in about 4 weeks or so. Can I get a few recommendations for my next few chest workouts as far as weights and reps with this goal in mind? Today's workout was the following:

warmups: 135x10, 185x4, 225x4, 275x1
1RM attempts: 295x1,300x1
flat bench work: 245x8, 245x6, 205x8 (to failure)
Incline DB's: 75'sx12, 75'sx15, 75'sx10 (last 2 to failure)
Finished with a few supersets of cable flies (working lower pecs) and pec deck.

I've never really worked with a goal of increasing my 1RM, so this is a little new to me and why I'm asking some of the meatheads here. :)

mosesbotbol 05-03-2011 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1251165)
Ain't that that truth Tom. Might be time to switch the diet up a bit?

Drop the booze if you are drinking any. A month sans alcohol will do wonders to the waist line.

Da Klugs 05-03-2011 09:06 AM

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For the past 29 Days have been "eating right" and incorporating cardio into my daily routine.

Start:

260 Pounds
Waist 42

This Morning:

240 Pounds
Waist 39

Goal is 225.

Patrick B 05-03-2011 12:30 PM

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Awesome, Dave. Congrats on the accomplishment.

Da Klugs 05-03-2011 03:04 PM

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Awesome, Dave. Congrats on the accomplishment.

Thanks. Though technically I lied about the weight loss....

:)

BigFrank 05-03-2011 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Da Klugs (Post 1253049)
Thanks. Though technically I lied about the weight loss....

:)

we round up around here. How do you think Tom has a 400 pound bench press? ( note a 351 pound bench for Tom ) :r:r:r:r

Patrick B 05-06-2011 12:53 PM

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Leg day. Squats, walking lunges, leg presses, and extensions/curls for me.

Frank, any thoughts on my questions regarding hitting the 315 bench soon?

DBall 05-06-2011 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1255677)
Leg day. Squats, walking lunges, leg presses, and extensions/curls for me.

That was me yesterday (excluding the presses). Trying to get back in the saddle. For squats: 135x5, 205x5, 245x3, 2 sets of 225x10 and finished with a bunch at 185. Walking lunges @ 80lbs... my legs and ass hurt. Hahaha

Patrick B 05-06-2011 01:02 PM

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I am new to the walking lunges, so my weights used are pitiful. I'll get em up there soon enough.

Fordman4ever 05-07-2011 10:47 AM

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Leg day yesterday. I put up 700lbs on the leg press.

BigFrank 05-07-2011 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1255677)
Leg day. Squats, walking lunges, leg presses, and extensions/curls for me.

Frank, any thoughts on my questions regarding hitting the 315 bench soon?

What have your last few bench sessions been like? Also pressing for size and pressing for strength are similar but have many differences. Just something to note.

Patrick B 05-07-2011 08:06 PM

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I have been using a weight that gives me failure at 6-8 for 3 sets after warming up. I detailed my last chest workout on the previous page if you wanna check there. Definitely just trying to get bigger right now, but hitting the 315 bench would feel great. Thanks, Frank!

Teufel 05-07-2011 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1252576)
Great day today. Finally achieved the 300 pound bench. Not very much room to spare, but it was all me. I would like to try 315 in about 4 weeks or so. Can I get a few recommendations for my next few chest workouts as far as weights and reps with this goal in mind? Today's workout was the following:

warmups: 135x10, 185x4, 225x4, 275x1
1RM attempts: 295x1,300x1
flat bench work: 245x8, 245x6, 205x8 (to failure)
Incline DB's: 75'sx12, 75'sx15, 75'sx10 (last 2 to failure)
Finished with a few supersets of cable flies (working lower pecs) and pec deck.

I've never really worked with a goal of increasing my 1RM, so this is a little new to me and why I'm asking some of the meatheads here. :)

I would not work at 95% to 100% of your one rep max. You will hurt yourself and fry your CNS. I would lower your rep range and do some sort of 5,/3/1 cycle. You can find 5/3/1 programs online.

Patrick B 05-07-2011 09:05 PM

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Not planning on trying a 1RM again for another 4 weeks, just wanting to find a good workout program to optimize it when I do. Thanks for the input, I'll check the 5 3 1 cycles out.

icehog3 05-07-2011 10:57 PM

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I am back tomorrow after a 5 day lay off for vacation.

I will attempt a 352 lb bench tomorrow, Frank, and round that up to 450. ;) :r

mosesbotbol 05-08-2011 09:18 AM

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Is anyone's max bench 2x+ their body weight?

I think handstand push up's are more impressive than a massive bench.

BigFrank 05-08-2011 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1256527)
I have been using a weight that gives me failure at 6-8 for 3 sets after warming up. I detailed my last chest workout on the previous page if you wanna check there. Definitely just trying to get bigger right now, but hitting the 315 bench would feel great. Thanks, Frank!

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Originally Posted by Teufel (Post 1256537)
I would not work at 95% to 100% of your one rep max. You will hurt yourself and fry your CNS. I would lower your rep range and do some sort of 5,/3/1 cycle. You can find 5/3/1 programs online.

Agreed with Teufel. Pat keep pushing yourself for now, your body can handle it right now. When things get close, we'll set up a max out day. Easiest thing to do is set your max weight attempt and work 4 weeks back from that. Easiest thing to do would be, week #1 75%, week#2 85% week #3 95% week #4 100% - 105% - 110%.
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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 1256754)
Is anyone's max bench 2x+ their body weight?

I think handstand push up's are more impressive than a massive bench.

Have yet to hit the x2 bodyweight bench, personally I am not a great bencher never have maybe never will be. My best are 415 ( GYM ) 405 ( Meet ) at about 260lbs bodyweight. I did 600pounds at that bodyweight with a bench shirt. Take it for what it's worth.

Handstand pushups are a mess. Standing overhead presses are where its at.

mosesbotbol 05-08-2011 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigFrank (Post 1256770)
Handstand pushups are a mess. Standing overhead presses are where its at.

Being able to do a steady handstand is a feat on its own. That I know a lot of weight lifters can only dream of. I saw a guy do it once with his hands turned in! Friggin straight as an arrow too.

Squat to military press sets are really good and effective, but not for the beginner. Very mature routine.

drob 05-16-2011 08:50 PM

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What's up, ironheads?

Been off the junk and Dr. Peppers for over two months, now. Lost 23 lbs to date, since the doc called me fat and threatened me with a script of high blood pressure meds. Started out walking every other day for the first 4 weeks, then a couple of weeks of Bob Harper and Tony Horton. Decided what the hell, and dusted off the son's bench and olympic weight set out in the garage.
Found a program from a six year old copy of Muscle and Fitness, and started that today. Not gonna post any weight yet - not ready to get laughed out of here.

Gotta go out tomorrow and find a pink ipod, and maybe some pink leotards in case I decide to take a yoga class.

Anyways, shoulders, triceps and traps today.

Shoulders

Bent over lateral raise - 5 x 8
DB Shoulder press - 5 x 8
Front lateral raise - 5 x 8

Triceps

Close grip bench press - 5 x 8,8,7,6, F
Lying easy curl french press - 5 x 8, bar only (olympic)
Tricep dips - 5 x 8

Traps

Barbell shrugs, super setted with DB shrugs

Back, chest, and some curls for the girls tomorrow.

icehog3 05-16-2011 09:30 PM

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Kickin' some arse, Doyle, congrats! :tu

Things are steady for me, been making gains on a lot of lifts and feel great except my core, just can't get it where I want it without aggravating the sports hernias. Between the gym and hockey I am still in better shape than 99% of old guys (my age, LOL), so I am happy with that.

drob 05-18-2011 03:21 PM

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Got the t-bar attachment made up yesterday before working out -

http://www.home-gym-bodybuilding.com...t-bar-row.html

So,

T-bar, 5x10
Bent over BB rows, 5x8
Dead lift, 3x8

Bench press 5x8,8,8,6,6
Incline DB 5x8
Flat DB flys 3x5,5,5

Today was leg day. Did some front squats, leg extensions, curls and calf raises. My garage workout is kinda limited by space and equip - can't do reg squats, so the front version w/box will have to suffice for now. The box keeps my legs more or less parallel for now, until I gain some more confidence to go lower.

Hope everyone had a good one.

Patrick B 05-20-2011 03:08 PM

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NAILED IT!

I'm 35, and I've been through 3 or 4 cycles of lifting and getting pretty strong over the last 20 years. As I got close to a big bench (in my eyes) life would get in the way (sorry excuse, I know) and I would quit working out for a while. Been back after it for close to two years now, and today I finally feel like a man after benching the ever elusive 315. Time for burgers and beers to celebrate.

drob 05-20-2011 03:58 PM

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Off yesterday, except for 45 mins of cycling with the wife.

Power-Ups today:

Plyo Box jump (lateral) - 3x10

Push-Press - 5x6,6,6,5,4

High pull -5x6,6,6,5,4

Jump shrug - 5x6,6,6,5,4

drob 05-20-2011 03:59 PM

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Yeah!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1269334)
NAILED IT!

I'm 35, and I've been through 3 or 4 cycles of lifting and getting pretty strong over the last 20 years. As I got close to a big bench (in my eyes) life would get in the way (sorry excuse, I know) and I would quit working out for a while. Been back after it for close to two years now, and today I finally feel like a man after benching the ever elusive 315. Time for burgers and beers to celebrate.


icehog3 05-20-2011 05:06 PM

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Congrats on the milestone, Patrick! :ze

DBall 05-20-2011 08:33 PM

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Guys, I just CAN NOT get pumped for going to the gym after sitting on my ass eating all day at work. Suggestions?

mosesbotbol 05-20-2011 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by DBall (Post 1269599)
Guys, I just CAN NOT get pumped for going to the gym after sitting on my ass eating all day at work. Suggestions?

A Stanozolol 30 minutes before working out :banger

hammondc 05-20-2011 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DBall (Post 1269599)
Guys, I just CAN NOT get pumped for going to the gym after sitting on my ass eating all day at work. Suggestions?

Quit being a fatass and go. Those are the best workouts.

hammondc 05-20-2011 08:58 PM

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Switched up proteins.....

I think I got sold by the chick at GNC. I have been using ON Gold Standard. She sold me on the Amplified Wheybolic Extereme 60. I am not versed in the different kinds of protein ---simple whey concentrate vs isolates and hydroisolates. However, this stuff was lower cals per scoop with close to the sam protein. Cheaper per scoop too. We'll see how it works out. I am skeptical...

She also gave me some samples of a pre-workout powder called Pump Fuel. I am incredibly skeptical of pre-workout supplements. I see them as empty cals.

Patrick B 05-20-2011 09:48 PM

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Pump Fuel is nice. So is Jack3d, C4 and all the others. I cycle through 3-4 of them and they really get me fired up to tear **** up when I get to the gym. A good part of it is the caffeine, in my opinion. Don't really care, if it makes me twitch and really get after it on every set and rep, it's worth it in my book.

icehog3 05-20-2011 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DBall (Post 1269599)
Guys, I just CAN NOT get pumped for going to the gym after sitting on my ass eating all day at work. Suggestions?

Keep your carbs low before the workout. Big carb lunches used to sap all my energy before the gym when I used to work days. I cut out most carbs before the workout, and was no longer feeling lethargic on the ride to the gym,

I like the pre-workout supplements as well...White Flood, Jack3d and 1MR seem to work best for me. I have some friends suggesting I give Hemo-Rage a shot after I finish my current tub (Jack3d).

alwayslit 05-21-2011 12:58 AM

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Buddy of mine just went through a tub of hemo-rage. He liked it a lot. I'm going to give it a try since jack3d seems to be losing its effectiveness.

icehog3 05-21-2011 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by alwayslit (Post 1269811)
Buddy of mine just went through a tub of hemo-rage. He liked it a lot. I'm going to give it a try since jack3d seems to be losing its effectiveness.

That's why I try and cycle them, Jim, that seems to happen with all of them over time. A good complete cleanse from them every once in a while helps too.

Let me know how you like the Hemo when you try it.

Patrick B 05-21-2011 11:59 AM

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Hemo-rage, huh? I am almost out of Jack3d as well.

icehog3 05-21-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Patrick B (Post 1270143)
Hemo-rage, huh? I am almost out of Jack3d as well.

If you try it before I do, please post a review....I am about 1/2 way through my Jack3d.

drob 05-23-2011 03:23 PM

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Legs and abs today, gents. My thighs feel like they are gonna bust!

P.S., tried a Waxy Maize supp after working out today. Anyone else use this?
If so, which one and why.

I swear, the last three weeks or so I feel like I'm 40 instead of 51 -
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm-whata-rushhhhh!

Patrick B 05-23-2011 04:59 PM

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Awesome, Drob! I love those periods of time when you just for some damn reason feel great. I played 9 holes, hit the gym for arms, and now I'm having a post dinner Oliva V #4 - can't beat that day with a stick!

No experience with the Waxy Maize...

DBall 05-24-2011 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by hammondc (Post 1269629)
Quit being a fatass and go. Those are the best workouts.

Fatass! Hahaha... I'm a buck forty soaking wet! :D

I decided I'd wake up a bit earlier 2 mornings a week and go before work, then I can got at any point on saturday to hit my 3/week. Today I was there at 6am. I dig it.

GreekGodX 05-25-2011 05:30 AM

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So yesterday at the gym it was leg day. I get done with my workout and one of the trainers brings out the sled and asked if I wanted to join. So of course I did and after I could barely move. Then I did a couple sets of straight leg deadlifts to stretch out my legs.

sofaman 05-25-2011 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1269772)
Keep your carbs low before the workout. Big carb lunches used to sap all my energy before the gym when I used to work days. I cut out most carbs before the workout, and was no longer feeling lethargic on the ride to the gym,

I like the pre-workout supplements as well...White Flood, Jack3d and 1MR seem to work best for me. I have some friends suggesting I give Hemo-Rage a shot after I finish my current tub (Jack3d).

I cycle between 1MR,Nano Vapor, and Hemo Rage. Nano Vapor is the best in my opinion but it packs 210 cals but Hemo Rage is a close 2nd with only 42 cals:tu

kaisersozei 05-25-2011 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1269818)
That's why I try and cycle them, Jim, that seems to happen with all of them over time. A good complete cleanse from them every once in a while helps too.

Let me know how you like the Hemo when you try it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sofaman (Post 1273999)
I cycle between 1MR,Nano Vapor, and Hemo Rage. Nano Vapor is the best in my opinion but it packs 210 cals but Hemo Rage is a close 2nd with only 42 cals:tu

I had been using NO Xplode for a couple years and really liked it. I tried Jack3d and it just made my ears itch. Seriously. I couldn't get past that so after 2 weeks, I went looking for something else. Found Body Rush by Force Factor. Been using it for a month now, it's great stuff, I just take 1 scoop. And only 5g carb/20cal.

My stepson changed from Jack3d and started using MusclePharm's Assault, he loves it.

We also cycle off for a month every 3-4 months or so. That purge seems to help.

hscmit 05-25-2011 11:40 AM

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I have tried to use several of these supplements and they have all made me feel like my heart was going to explode, is this just me?

Patrick B 05-25-2011 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by hscmit (Post 1274333)
I have tried to use several of these supplements and they have all made me feel like my heart was going to explode, is this just me?

Nope, some kid at my gym took one for the first time, puked his guts out, and went home without working out. :D

icehog3 05-25-2011 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by hscmit (Post 1274333)
I have tried to use several of these supplements and they have all made me feel like my heart was going to explode, is this just me?

That is why I try them all, and go with the recommended dose the first time. Seems they have different effects on different people, maybe body chemistry, caffeine tolerance, and other factors are involved?

There used to be a product (it might still be around, but with different ingredients) called Agent Orange....megadose of ephedra in every scoop. I thought my heart was going to come out of my chest the first time.

mosesbotbol 05-26-2011 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1274507)
There used to be a product (it might still be around, but with different ingredients) called Agent Orange....megadose of ephedra in every scoop. I thought my heart was going to come out of my chest the first time.

I did not like that stuff at all or any ephedra products. Could never understand the draw of feeling flushed and lightheaded before working out.

icehog3 05-26-2011 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mosesbotbol (Post 1275127)
I did not like that stuff at all or any ephedra products. Could never understand the draw of feeling flushed and lightheaded before working out.

They were dangerous, Moses, and I was oblivious to the danger as I continued to use ephedra products before hockey games for several years. Definitely caused some permanent damage to my heart, I am just hoping that I quit early enough (years ago) that the consequences will be minimal.

mosesbotbol 05-26-2011 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 1275317)
They were dangerous, Moses, and I was oblivious to the danger as I continued to use ephedra products before hockey games for several years.

Wow, you're nuts. I couldn't make one workout on the stuff and swore it off. Same for GHB. Great for acting like dopey fool on Saturday night, but never saw the draw. Was it really effective?

icehog3 05-26-2011 01:23 PM

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It was effective for hockey, Moses, but at the price I paid ultimately, certainly not worth the boost.


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