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CigarNut 09-15-2011 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by irratebass (Post 1409481)
Wolf V Cutters

Sorry, but I cannot resist this: This link should help (Click this link -- it's pretty cool). :noon

Thanks ToE!

icehog3 09-15-2011 02:09 PM

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Sorry, but I cannot resist this: This link should help (Click this link -- it's pretty cool). :noon

Thanks ToE!

'zactly. ;) :r

ApexAZ 10-21-2011 03:08 PM

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I bought some Gurkha Regent Toro cigars and have had some issues with the wrapper cracking. I had one last night and the wrapper cracked about 1.5 inches up the length of the cigar when I punched it. I assume this means they might be a little dehydrated. My humidor seems to be holding around 68% RH and I'm wondering how long I should let these sit before they are properly rehydrated?

T.G 10-21-2011 03:23 PM

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Certain Gurkha cigars are infamous for fragile, splitting and exploding wrappers.

Can't really say how long they will need to sit to stabilize without knowing how far off they are, or if this will even help those particular cigars.

SteelCityBoy 10-21-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ApexAZ (Post 1448923)
I bought some Gurkha Regent Toro cigars and have had some issues with the wrapper cracking. I had one last night and the wrapper cracked about 1.5 inches up the length of the cigar when I punched it. I assume this means they might be a little dehydrated. My humidor seems to be holding around 68% RH and I'm wondering how long I should let these sit before they are properly rehydrated?

I try my best to let my smokes rest for about a month before smoking them. Sometimes however I just can't resist! It really depends I guess on where the sticks are coming from. If you just pick them up from a local B&M they should be good to go. When they come from long airborn trips it is best to let them bask in some good relative humidity for a bit. Also could be that someone just handed you a dried out stick which in that case could take a bit longer to bring back to good life. :2

ApexAZ 10-21-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SteelCityBoy (Post 1448943)
I try my best to let my smokes rest for about a month before smoking them. Sometimes however I just can't resist! It really depends I guess on where the sticks are coming from. If you just pick them up from a local B&M they should be good to go. When they come from long airborn trips it is best to let them bask in some good relative humidity for a bit. Also could be that someone just handed you a dried out stick which in that case could take a bit longer to bring back to good life. :2

I purchased from CI, which were shipped ground from PA to AZ. They took about 7 days. My guess is that they got a little dry.

I do really enjoy the flavor, but the wrapper and draw have been a little challenging on a couple. Also, I just realized this thread is stickied in the accessory forum. My apologies if I posted in the wrong thread. I'm still getting used to the layout here :)

md4958 10-21-2011 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ApexAZ (Post 1449061)
I purchased from CI, which were shipped ground from PA to AZ. They took about 7 days. My guess is that they got a little dry.

I do really enjoy the flavor, but the wrapper and draw have been a little challenging on a couple.

Given the arid climate you live in, I would probably give most cigar 3-4 weeks to acclimate.

You mentioned draw issues, were they tight, like they were plugged? Could you feel a hard spot under or around the band area?

NCRadioMan 10-21-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by T.G (Post 1448942)
Certain Gurkha cigars are infamous for fragile, splitting and exploding wrappers.

Adam's a smart feller. The Regents have Cameroon wrappers and they are very, very thin and fragile. If they get the slightest bit dry, they will fall apart. I would suggest keeping Cameroon wrapped cigars at 70%.

ApexAZ 10-21-2011 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by md4958 (Post 1449101)
Given the arid climate you live in, I would probably give most cigar 3-4 weeks to acclimate.

You mentioned draw issues, were they tight, like they were plugged? Could you feel a hard spot under or around the band area?

I am not sure. I considered that but truthfully I was a little afraid to squeeze it for fear of cracking it.

2 out of 4 have had some draw and cracking issues. I really enjoyed the ones that smoked well. Are many of the Gurkhas like this?

irratebass 10-26-2011 07:53 AM

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Which is better for humidification, the gel or the boveda packs? I heard the gel you can use for years, just refill with dstilled water, and the packs are only good for a fw months, but I want your opinions.

Bill86 10-26-2011 07:57 AM

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Which is better for humidification, the gel or the boveda packs? I heard the gel you can use for years, just refill with dstilled water, and the packs are only good for a fw months, but I want your opinions.

You can recharge the boveda packs. The gel is messy and IMHO ...crap.

kydsid 10-26-2011 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by irratebass (Post 1453738)
Which is better for humidification, the gel or the boveda packs? I heard the gel you can use for years, just refill with dstilled water, and the packs are only good for a fw months, but I want your opinions.

In my experience the boveda packs because they provide more consitent humidity levels in a humidor than gel. That is more important to me than lifespan. All things equal though I don't use either in my regular humidors. I do use boveda packs in the traveldor.

Beads (either type) are really the only answer to humidor humidifiaction IMO. Consistent humidity and long lasting. Don't bother with lesser options. ;)

irratebass 10-26-2011 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill86 (Post 1453741)
You can recharge the boveda packs. The gel is messy and IMHO ...crap.

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Originally Posted by kydsid (Post 1453743)
In my experience the boveda packs because they provide more consitent humidity levels in a humidor than gel. That is more important to me than lifespan. All things equal though I don't use either in my regular humidors. I do use boveda packs in the traveldor.

Beads (either type) are really the only answer to humidor humidifiaction IMO. Consistent humidity and long lasting. Don't bother with lesser options. ;)

Right now $ is an issue and I can get both the gel and the packs for free, so based on your opinions I would go with the packs and I am looking at the 69%.....later when I get my coolidor I will get the beads, but right now I need a quick fix.

Any other opinons or suggestions?

Thanks

irratebass 10-26-2011 08:21 AM

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Ok I am now confused, Which of these do you suggest, not saying I am getting them, I am just wanting some opinions:

http://www.neptunecigar.com/pr/xikar..._jar_4_oz.aspx

http://www.neptunecigar.com/pr/cigel_humidifier.aspx

Mattso3000 10-26-2011 08:24 AM

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I've had the xikar jar in my 150 for 11 months and it's been locked on 68 on the hygrometer since I put it in.

irratebass 10-26-2011 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattso3000 (Post 1453756)
I've had the xikar jar in my 150 for 11 months and it's been locked on 68 on the hygrometer since I put it in.

Are these considered beads?

kydsid 10-26-2011 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by irratebass (Post 1453753)
Ok I am now confused, Which of these do you suggest, not saying I am getting them, I am just wanting some opinions:

http://www.neptunecigar.com/pr/xikar..._jar_4_oz.aspx

http://www.neptunecigar.com/pr/cigel_humidifier.aspx


I would go with the Ci-Gel as it says to add distilled water. The Xikar say used propylene glycol. The implication is the Ci-Gel itself is the regulator for humidity whereas the Xikar is just a matrix for PG similar to florist foam.

I would still use a boveda pack instead of either one.



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Originally Posted by irratebass (Post 1453758)
Are these considered beads?


No. Xikar does not make beads. Beads are those from Shilalabeads or Heartfelt. Take the free option for now but save some money to get beads. They are really not that expensive. Around $30 a pound which is good for a large humidor. I run 2.5lbs, more than needed actually, in each of my edgestars.

irratebass 10-26-2011 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by kydsid (Post 1453777)
I would go with the Ci-Gel as it says to add distilled water. The Xikar say used propylene glycol. The implication is the Ci-Gel itself is the regulator for humidity whereas the Xikar is just a matrix for PG similar to florist foam.

I would still use a boveda pack instead of either one.






No. Xikar does not make beads. Beads are those from Shilalabeads or Heartfelt. Take the free option for now but save some money to get beads. They are really not that expensive. Around $30 a pound which is good for a large humidor. I run 2.5lbs, more than needed actually, in each of my edgestars.


Thanks Jason, I was thinkng the gel would be better....I had actually already placed my order, I ordered the 2 oz and the 4oz, but I just called them and changed the order to 2 gels (2 humis) and I will be getting the beads when I am ready...thanks for the info :tu

CigarNut 10-26-2011 09:56 AM

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I thought you were going to go with Boveda Packs? I would go with the Boveda packs and stay away from (any kind) gel (Xikar or other brand).

irratebass 10-26-2011 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by CigarNut (Post 1453862)
I thought you were going to go with Boveda Packs? I would go with the Boveda packs and stay away from (any kind) gel (Xikar or other brand).

Too late, I am going to try this out 1st, if it works cool if not then I will do the Boveda packs....I did order a calibration pack though.

44stampede 01-03-2012 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by kydsid (Post 1453777)
I would go with the Ci-Gel as it says to add distilled water. The Xikar say used propylene glycol. The implication is the Ci-Gel itself is the regulator for humidity whereas the Xikar is just a matrix for PG similar to florist foam.

I would still use a boveda pack instead of either one.






No. Xikar does not make beads. Beads are those from Shilalabeads or Heartfelt. Take the free option for now but save some money to get beads. They are really not that expensive. Around $30 a pound which is good for a large humidor. I run 2.5lbs, more than needed actually, in each of my edgestars.

What are the edgestars that you are referring to? Do people convert wine coolers to humidors?

MurphysLaw 01-03-2012 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 44stampede (Post 1519643)
What are the edgestars that you are referring to? Do people convert wine coolers to humidors?

Yup, check out this thread: http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=48955

44stampede 01-03-2012 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MurphysLaw (Post 1519647)

That's awesome. I had a feeling I hadn't thought of that idea first :)

Living in a place that is 30 Celcius and 73+% humidity all the time, this is a must!

deaster25 01-11-2012 12:05 AM

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I just bought a tube of beads from heartfelt for my humidor. The way I had it set up before was with a generic tube of gel that I had separated from the cigars with a divider. My question is, can I remove the divider and let the tube come in direct contact with the cigars without any chance of harming the cigars. Also would the cigars closest to the tube be more humid than the ones on the other side? I have a 50 count and I bought the tube that is double the required minimum size.

Zanaspus 01-11-2012 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by deaster25 (Post 1526911)
I just bought a tube of beads from heartfelt for my humidor. The way I had it set up before was with a generic tube of gel that I had separated from the cigars with a divider. My question is, can I remove the divider and let the tube come in direct contact with the cigars without any chance of harming the cigars. Also would the cigars closest to the tube be more humid than the ones on the other side? I have a 50 count and I bought the tube that is double the required minimum size.

I don't know the scientific answer, but I have no divider, the cigars taste fine, and I'm not dead yet.:2

Eros 01-25-2012 02:21 PM

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So I just got a humidor yesterday. I salt tested a digital hygrometer and calibrated it accordingly. Then I placed a shot glass with water in the humidor and closed the lid with the hygrometer inside. The humidity rose to 87%. I took out the glass, placed in some hydrating beads and the humidity has stayed at 68%. Did I get lucky? Most people say it takes at least a few days to season. Should I wait a little longer? I just bought some cigars and they were on the road for 5 days and have been in their bag for an additional two. I would like to get them in as quickly as I can.

Blak Smyth 01-25-2012 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Eros (Post 1540526)
So I just got a humidor yesterday. I salt tested a digital hygrometer and calibrated it accordingly. Then I placed a shot glass with water in the humidor and closed the lid with the hygrometer inside. The humidity rose to 87%. I took out the glass, placed in some hydrating beads and the humidity has stayed at 68%. Did I get lucky? Most people say it takes at least a few days to season. Should I wait a little longer? I just bought some cigars and they were on the road for 5 days and have been in their bag for an additional two. I would like to get them in as quickly as I can.

How long has it stayed at 68%?

Eros 01-25-2012 02:25 PM

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Since 5 this morning.

Blak Smyth 01-25-2012 02:35 PM

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If it was me, I would wait until tomorrow morning and see if it changes. If you throw cigars in now and the humidity changes you will not know the reason. Tomorrow if it is still holding true throw them in and see what happens IMHO.

pnoon 01-25-2012 03:03 PM

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If you put cigars in an empty humidor the RH will almost surely change. Unless by a stroke of luck the cigars and the empty humi have identical RH.

More often than not, RH in the humi will drop due to the cigars absorbing moisture.
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crazyirishman 01-25-2012 03:04 PM

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As usual, pnoon has the answer.

Eros 01-25-2012 03:06 PM

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So waiting for another day or more should help? I'm just worried about my cigars drying out in the bag. Cigars are quite the investment for me.

CigarNut 01-25-2012 03:08 PM

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It can't hurt to wait an extra day or two and it can certainly help. This is not something you want to rush...

Eros 01-25-2012 03:13 PM

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Also does anyone have any recommendations in regards to a machine that can clear up cigar odors pretty well? I am getting an apartment this summer and I don't have anywhere to smoke outside.

bobarian 01-25-2012 03:24 PM

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Cigars can be stored for an extended period in a ziploc bag. I have some sitting on my desk that have been there for a month. If you are really worried, put them in a second bag. :2

coty 01-25-2012 06:21 PM

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Eros
http://compare.ebay.com/like/2707785..._lwgsi=y&cbt=y
maybe a good start

Eros 01-26-2012 08:12 AM

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Thanks for that recommendation coty. Also, the humidity had dropped to 63 rh after adding a couple of cigars. I have a drymistat tube of crystal gel or whatever it is. Should I add that, or is that not advisable?
Side note: I have the 65% rh beads in there as my humidifier.

pnoon 01-26-2012 08:22 AM

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The beads are all you should need.
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Eros 01-26-2012 08:30 AM

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So how low is too low as far as rh goes? I mean I don't think 62 is too much lower than 65 in regards to negatively impacting the cigars, but when should I worry? When its down in the mid 50's? Lastly, when I start adding more cigars, and the humidity keeps dropping, should I just re-season the humidor? Sorry for all the questions, I am a newbie after all.

icehog3 01-26-2012 08:33 AM

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I keep my cigars at 62% and they smoke perfectly.

I have heard of some who keep theirs in the high 50s, but I am not experiementing because I've found the RH I like.

I would personally be worried if mine dropped below 60 for a significant amount of time.

CigarNut 01-26-2012 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Eros (Post 1541105)
So how low is too low as far as rh goes? I mean I don't think 62 is too much lower than 65 in regards to negatively impacting the cigars, but when should I worry? When its down in the mid 50's? Lastly, when I start adding more cigars, and the humidity keeps dropping, should I just re-season the humidor? Sorry for all the questions, I am a newbie after all.

If the RH does not stababilze and continues to drop this may be an indicator that you rushed the seasoning process. Or it could mean that your humidor is not sealing well.

There are lots of threads here that will help you, but the key thing is that you need to be patient. It will not hurt your cigars if they are exposed to a "too-low" or "too-high" RH for a short time. It takes time for your cigars to equalize so don't worry. Also, ziplock bags are your friend! You can always safely put your cigars in a ziplock for extended periods of time while you resolve any issues you might have with your humidor.

Eros 01-26-2012 08:51 AM

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The cigars I just purchased we already in a ziplock bag when they arrived. So if I leave them in there for another week on top of the week it took for them to arrive, they won't be completely ruined?

CigarNut 01-26-2012 08:53 AM

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They will be fine.

Eros 01-26-2012 08:58 AM

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Ok good. I am going to re season my humidor properly. Now I've heard varying opinions on this. Some say never to add any water directly to the wood and just let a shot glass of distilled water or a damp sponge sit in there on a baggie for a day or more. Others says apply water to the wood lightly and repeat every half hour until the wood is saturated. What has worked best for you guys?

Blak Smyth 01-26-2012 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Eros (Post 1541137)
Ok good. I am going to re season my humidor properly. Now I've heard varying opinions on this. Some say never to add any water directly to the wood and just let a shot glass of distilled water or a damp sponge sit in there on a baggie for a day or more. Others says apply water to the wood lightly and repeat every half hour until the wood is saturated. What has worked best for you guys?

There really isnt a wrong way to do it. Don't be affraid to experiment. I remember not long ago I was asking all these same questions. You receive a few different answers but basicaly it all comes down to what works for you. I wipe the inside of the wood with distilled water and put a small dish with distilled water on the inside. Make sure it is distilled!

MurphysLaw 01-26-2012 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Eros (Post 1541137)
Ok good. I am going to re season my humidor properly. Now I've heard varying opinions on this. Some say never to add any water directly to the wood and just let a shot glass of distilled water or a damp sponge sit in there on a baggie for a day or more. Others says apply water to the wood lightly and repeat every half hour until the wood is saturated. What has worked best for you guys?

I've followed the instructions in this thread and always had good results. Sticky: Properly Seasoning a New Humidor

Eros 01-26-2012 11:29 AM

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So I went with the wipe down method and the sponge retained most of the moisture on the third wipe down which should mean the humidor isn't absorbing as much moisture. Now I'm supposed to wait 24 hours. Should I place the beads in now, or after I wait?

mase 01-26-2012 11:45 AM

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Someone told me that he stores his cigars in the vegetable drawer of the refrigerator. To the best of my knowledge he is not using any humidification device. Can anyone help me understand why he might do this?

I understand the cold would keep any beetle eggs from hatching. I doubt the drawer would keep consistent humidity.

CigarNut 01-26-2012 12:18 PM

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It probably does keep a fairly constant humidity, but in all likelihood it is a lower humidity than would be desirable for cigars...

galaga 01-26-2012 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by mase (Post 1541293)
Someone told me that he stores his cigars in the vegetable drawer of the refrigerator. To the best of my knowledge he is not using any humidification device. Can anyone help me understand why he might do this?

I understand the cold would keep any beetle eggs from hatching. I doubt the drawer would keep consistent humidity.

Because he doesn't know how to store cigars??? If you try it, I would use a cigar I wouldn't mind dehydrating. I suspect the cigar would dry out rather quickly.


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