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longknocker 01-03-2010 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 705823)
Perhaps they were trying to say once the box is opened (or removed from the box) they all age at the same pace. :confused:

That Seems Like "Common Sense", Though, Tim. I'm Still :confused:

icehog3 01-03-2010 03:40 PM

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I just read Mr. Nee's thoughts on aging and on packaging. No where does he state that unsealing or opening an SLB will stop the cigar from aging. In fact, he says that exposing cigars to oxygen will actually cause them to ferment and age more quickly, though he does opine that cigars that are devoid of oxygen or breathing will age more "beautifully", albiet more slowly.

MrOneEyedBoh 01-03-2010 03:41 PM

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huh, wonder why that member was talking about that? Is it somewhere else?

icehog3 01-03-2010 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh (Post 705835)
huh, wonder why that member was talking about that? Is it somewhere else?

Not in Min Ron Nee's book as far as I can see.

MrOneEyedBoh 01-03-2010 03:49 PM

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Well good to go then. Thanks for verifying that.

icehog3 01-03-2010 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh (Post 705852)
Well good to go then. Thanks for verifying that.

My pleasure, never a chore to pick that book up and learn. :)

pnoon 01-03-2010 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh (Post 705835)
huh, wonder why that member was talking about that? Is it somewhere else?

Good example of "don't believe everything you read" - especially when you don't know the source.

cigarz 01-04-2010 11:27 AM

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I got the cigar bug big-time over the last two months or so. However, I live in Wisconsin and the biggest issue I have is where to smoke.

I won't/can't smoke in the house, and the last week has been too cold to be easily comfortable in the garage. How do my northern brethren deal with this? Do you routinely use a cigar lounge? Have you build and outdoor room of some kind?

Thanks, in advance.

Mike

14holestogie 01-04-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cigarz (Post 706987)
I got the cigar bug big-time over the last two months or so. However, I live in Wisconsin and the biggest issue I have is where to smoke.

I won't/can't smoke in the house, and the last week has been too cold to be easily comfortable in the garage. How do my northern brethren deal with this? Do you routinely use a cigar lounge? Have you build and outdoor room of some kind?

Thanks, in advance.

Mike

We decided when we moved into our latest house about 8 years ago, smoking in the house was not going to happen. So....

I've got a "lounge" set-up in my insulated garage. A kerosene space heater aimed at my legs and I'm good for hours at a time.

cigarz 01-06-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 14holestogie (Post 707023)
We decided when we moved into our latest house about 8 years ago, smoking in the house was not going to happen. So....

I've got a "lounge" set-up in my insulated garage. A kerosene space heater aimed at my legs and I'm good for hours at a time.

Thanks for the Info. My garage is not insulated, but I may have to change that and keep an eye on the big box stores for deals on heaters!

Mike

cigarz 01-06-2010 11:27 AM

Re-lighting a cigar
 
How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike

pnoon 01-06-2010 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by cigarz (Post 709723)
How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike

There is no definitive answer.
For me, not much more than an hour or so. For others, they smoke sticks the next day.

lightning9191 01-06-2010 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cigarz (Post 709723)
How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike

If you do this, be sure to purge it well just prior to setting it down. This should help the flavor when you relight it.

RevSmoke 01-06-2010 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cigarz (Post 709723)
How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike


Cigars? Not very long, as they usually get very acrid tasting very quickly - especially if allowed to cool. :2

With a pipe, this is much different. In fact, with many Virginia and Virginia?Perique blends, sometimes finishing a pipe a couple days later can find the tobaccos tasting even better.

Why is this?

Good question!

14holestogie 01-06-2010 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pnoon (Post 709735)
There is no definitive answer.
For me, not much more than an hour or so. For others, they smoke sticks the next day.

My wife is notorious for lighting up an hour stick and giving up on it after 15 minutes. :)

It all depends on how much bitterness you can stand. Be sure to purge the cigar when you sit it down to at least get most of the stale smoke out.

Chris. 01-06-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cigarz (Post 709723)
How long can a half smoked cigar sit before you have to throw it away, rather than finish it?

Mike

My first opusx(like my 3rd cigar ever), I smoked halfway then left it in a zip lock baggie for like a week. One or two days I even forgot that I left it open. When I smoked it later on, it was even better than before. I never purged it either. That was before I knew anything about smoking cigars.

cigarz 01-07-2010 07:50 AM

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Thanks for the feed back guys. Looks like results can vary. May require some experimentation....

Mike

Chris. 01-07-2010 07:45 PM

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I wouldn't experiment with it. But, if for some reason you need to put one down and want to pick it up again later, dont be afraid to do so.

blue7622 01-09-2010 09:40 AM

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hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like)

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same?

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?

thanks in advance

icehog3 01-09-2010 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by blue7622 (Post 713771)
hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like) I guess it's all a mater of opinion. I think cigars smell and taste like Heaven on Earth.

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same? Yes...I don't like cigarettes, and I smoke many cigars per week.

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening? Eat before smoking, and have something with simple sugar in it (I like Reese's PB cups) on hand if you feel sick.
thanks in advance

Some replies in red above. Good luck.

Vigiles 01-09-2010 09:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blue7622 (Post 713771)
hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like)

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same?

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?

thanks in advance

I'll give some answers on what I can, then let the more experienced members help you out.

1. In my opinion, cigarettes and cigars are completely different, and don't taste anything alike.

2. In my experience, the more I smoked cigars the more I liked them. (still an ongoing process, but I do love them!)

3. How to not throw up: Smoke slow, very slow, around 1 puff per minute or less. Also a Mild cigar would be better for your first. Something that helped me starting out, drink (or sip) water while you are smoking.

Hope that helps some!

Chris. 01-09-2010 10:05 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blue7622 (Post 713771)
hello
I have never tried smoking before but i really want to try a cigar, i have some questions:
Does cigar smoke smell and taste better than cigarette smoke? (i can't stand the smell of cigarettes and have no idea of what cigars smell like)

Is there a chance that i would like it even though i can't stand cigarettes or is it all pretty much the same?

I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?

thanks in advance

DONT INHALE! :) You should be fine. Just don't go buy the cheapest smoke you can find though. Perhaps a Flor de Oliva would be a good first smoke for you.

chachee52 01-09-2010 10:19 AM

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I used to smoke ciggerette way back, and will say that it's two different things!!
I would agree with all that's been said so far.
As far as the smell of the smoke, I know people that can't stand when I smoke cigars, but then other's think that it smells great (luckily my fiance is one of these people!!).
On a funnier side, I've found that cigar smoke is a much better misquito repelant than cigerette smoke!!!
The taste is going to the tough one I would think. I have had some nasty cigars and some heavenly ones!! So hopefully you get one you like the first time around. The bad ones are far and few between in my eyes though.
Good luck in the new journey!!!

SmokinCozy 01-09-2010 10:30 AM

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I was thinking if you got a bad one for your first stick, then there would be one less person to fight over the good ones on.........something is telling me not to be that way, there is plenty to go around. Pick up your cigar from a B&M (cigar store) and not the corner market.

T.G 01-09-2010 10:39 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blue7622 (Post 713771)
I have also heard that some people get sick and throw up after their first smoke, any tips on how I can prevent this from happening?


Smoke a nice mild cigar, something like a Camacho Coyolar, LDF DL maduro or an El Cobre.

Chris. 01-09-2010 01:51 PM

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Did you really just recommend the LFD double LIGERO as a mild cigar? :r Granted, the DL maduro is good and smooth, but definitely not for the beginner.

MrOneEyedBoh 01-12-2010 02:47 AM

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Say im taking a cigar to work with me for the ride home. I have a leather holder, and if I put a cigar in that leather holder would it be alright? Or would it dry out too much? I would leave the cello on it. Or should I use a ziplock baggie and then put the cigar inside the leather holder?


Are there any airtight cigar holders?

GreekGodX 01-12-2010 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh (Post 717011)
Say im taking a cigar to work with me for the ride home. I have a leather holder, and if I put a cigar in that leather holder would it be alright? Or would it dry out too much? I would leave the cello on it. Or should I use a ziplock baggie and then put the cigar inside the leather holder?


Are there any airtight cigar holders?

Those types of holders are fine for your purpose. If you are going to have your cigars over night or over a few days you need some kind of otterbox. Example below.
http://golfhumidor.com/wp-content/up.../otterbox5.jpg

MrOneEyedBoh 01-12-2010 02:58 AM

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I could use that just for like everyday use? Arent they pretty gaudy? Thanks!

GreekGodX 01-12-2010 03:03 AM

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The leather holder for the day will work ok. I wouldn't leave anything in there longer than a 12 hour period unless it has a good seal. The cigarcaddy/otterbox can be used for everyday use. I have a 5 count box that I take with me to local B&M's. It isn't the most asthetically pleasing box but the seal is great and it keeps your cigars humidified.

In any case you just want to make sure you don't subject the cigars to extreme heat or cold..

bookman 01-12-2010 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh (Post 717014)
I could use that just for like everyday use? Arent they pretty gaudy? Thanks!

Yes theya re, but remeber you can pimp them out with cool stickers of your favorite bands and stuff!!

Chris. 01-12-2010 05:53 AM

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I have a 5 ct box as well. They make 2 cts also.

pnoon 01-12-2010 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by GreekGodX (Post 717015)
The leather holder for the day will work ok. I wouldn't leave anything in there longer than a 12 hour period unless it has a good seal. The cigarcaddy/otterbox can be used for everyday use. I have a 5 count box that I take with me to local B&M's. It isn't the most asthetically pleasing box but the seal is great and it keeps your cigars humidified.

In any case you just want to make sure you don't subject the cigars to extreme heat or cold..

I disagree, Christos.
While the otterbox is certainly a good idea, cigars are shipped from around the world without being in a controlled environment. Also, I've been to a number of large herfs where cigars for raffle and auction are staged outside of regular humidification for an an entire weekend.

Is this the most desirable way? Of course not. But having cigars outside of 65% for a few days is not a catastrophe.

EDIT: Leaving cigars in a leather case for a few days to a week is not a whole lot different than dryboxing.

bobarian 01-12-2010 10:14 AM

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I'm with the old guy on this one. Cigar cases are more for the protection of the cigar than anything else. For taking a cigar to work the leather cases are ideal. I have wanted one of those Xikar 3 cigar cases for a while just never got around to picking one up. Humidity is not a concern unless they will be out for more than a week or in extreme conditions. Cigars are much more durable than we, as obsessive hobbyists, give them credit. :2

Gary 01-23-2010 08:32 AM

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Newbie here, first post. (Hello!)

Had my first real cigar last night, okay, I had 2 back to back. Had a Macanudo Maduro Hyde Park and a Romeo/Julieta Love Story. Couldn't really tell a big difference in taste between them, newbie palate? The Love Story required more relighting.

My primary question is this:

While smoking them I felt great, great mood, energized, very clear thinking, and just basically feeling wonderful! Is this an effect of the nicotine??

Also, I don't currently have a humidor, (will get one soon) but currently my house seems to be at 70% humidity, is that okay for now?

And a special shout out to my wife for putting up with all my monkey business all these years!

pnoon 01-23-2010 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Gary (Post 731509)
Newbie here, first post. (Hello!)

Had my first real cigar last night, okay, I had 2 back to back. Had a Macanudo Maduro Hyde Park and a Romeo/Julieta Love Story. Couldn't really tell a big difference in taste between them, newbie palate? The Love Story required more relighting.

My primary question is this:

While smoking them I felt great, great mood, energized, very clear thinking, and just basically feeling wonderful! Is this an effect of the nicotine??

Also, I don't currently have a humidor, (will get one soon) but currently my house seems to be at 70% humidity, is that okay for now?

And a special shout out to my wife for putting up with all my monkey business all these years!

Welcome to Cigar Asylum, Gary.
Let me suggest you head over to the New Inmate forum and introduce yourself. We're a friendly bunch here and would like to know a little bit about you.

On to your questions.

A discerning palate is one that is developed over time. I don't know if the 2 cigars you smoked are at all similar in flavor profile but there may be someone else here who could chime in on that. I would bet the nicotine (a stimulant) is responsible for your heightened mood. If your house is in the 60-70% humidity range you should be fine (temporarily). Any much over 70% could lead to burn issues and mold. It's good that you are in the process of purchasing a humidor.

Any man who has a wife that is supportive of our hobby/obsession is a lucky man, indeed.

Blind_Io 01-24-2010 01:04 AM

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Last year I moved from the San Francisco Bay area back to Salt Lake City, Utah. As I'm sure you know, Utah is much more arid than the coast and I've been having trouble keeping the humidity up in my humidor.

My humidor isn't big, just 4 drawers (I forget the capacity). I keep two of the silicon sticks in it and had no trouble keeping the humidity at about 60%. I don't get into the humidor much these days (it's too cold to go outside to smoke at night). Obviously I need to check the sticks and dunk them in water more frequently, but is there anything else I can do to help stabilize the humidity in this climate?

Should I re-season the humidor, add more sticks, change the sticks for higher-humidity ones or just check it more often?

icehog3 01-24-2010 07:41 AM

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I would ditch the silicon sticks for some humidity beads, Dave.

Member shilala and company Heartfelt Industries both make quality ones.

GreekGodX 01-24-2010 08:41 AM

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Dave, you need to move to beads like Tom said. Also consider adding more humidification to the humidor. Many people use more beads/humidification than required for a certain size humidor just to make sure it stays at a certain rH.

Blind_Io 01-24-2010 11:53 PM

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I think I must have used the wrong language, my humidity control are these plastic tubes with silica beads inside. I'll pick up two more and double my control.

Thanks for the advice guys, I'll certainly look for those brands you mentioned.

Chris. 01-25-2010 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Blind_Io (Post 733544)
I think I must have used the wrong language, my humidity control are these plastic tubes with silica beads inside. I'll pick up two more and double my control.

Thanks for the advice guys, I'll certainly look for those brands you mentioned.

http://www.heartfeltindustries.com/c...Humidity+Beads

Scotts:
http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19160

kalivoda87 01-26-2010 10:15 PM

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What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.

pnoon 01-26-2010 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kalivoda87 (Post 736308)
What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.

It's all a matter of personal preference. Although most would agree that anything over 70% is too high. Some actually prefer 60%.

Jbailey 01-26-2010 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kalivoda87 (Post 736308)
What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.

I use 65% beads and the coolers stay right around 63%-65%. I find it works pretty good and the cigars smoke great!

akumushi 01-26-2010 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kalivoda87 (Post 736308)
What the perfect humidity to keep your cigars at: 75%, 72%, 69% or 65%. Thanks.

Humidity is as subjective a thing as you can get. Between 50% and 75% will not damage your cigars. I try to keep mine between 60-65%, which I have found to be perfect for Habanos. NC smokers seem to prefer the 70-75% range. The best advice I can give you is: if your wrappers are cracking, the cigars are too dry. If the cigars won't stay lit, then they're too wet. Beyond that only you can decide what's right for you!:2

icehog3 01-27-2010 12:16 AM

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I would say that at 75% you are at serious risk of developing mold on your cigars.

Snake Hips 01-27-2010 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 736422)
I would say that at 75% you are at serious risk of developing mold on your cigars.

Among other serious problems with your smokes.

icehog3 01-27-2010 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Snake Hips (Post 736449)
Among other serious problems with your smokes.

Absolutely.

pnoon 01-27-2010 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by icehog3 (Post 736451)
Absolutely.

Right. ;)

Ty Atkinson 01-28-2010 07:21 PM

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have a glass top humidor that seems to stay between 61 and 65 humidity with heartfelt 65 beads in it, do i just contribute the fluctuation to the great glass top or be worried, also where should i place the humidity tube for best results.

My cigars feel pretty firm which i tend to worry about didnt know if it was from the lower humidity and tempature around 64 in the humi or if i should do something different.


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