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Atleast Pirates fans get to claim the Steelers and Penguins, all Cincinnati gets in the Reds and Bungles, the laughing stock of the MLB and NFL. :rolleyes:

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Any thoughts about next year? We didn't do too poorly late in the season. If we stick with who we have now, maybe with one addition or so, what do you think about our hopes next year. I'm not talking about World Champs or anything, but at least a team that is competitive. Possibly a playoff team.

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Hope springs eternal.... on paper....

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As always.:)

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We will be a playoff team next year. :)

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:rolleyes::td

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You gotta love Dan's optimism.:banger:
I hope that we are competitive, even if we don't make the playoffs. Just a little excitement is all I ask. I won't even be dissapointed if we have a season next year like the Cubs did this year.

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Dan just says that every team is his favorite team and they are all going to make the playoffs or win the championship. Eventually he will be right and he'll be able to say "told ya so." But most of the time, like his Reds playoff prediction this year, he is wrong. :bh

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Bryan Price is the new pitching coach.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=4570582

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I've never heard of him. I hope he will be better than, wait for it, Dick Pole :r

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No more Dick Pole! :wo:wo
We're garanteed to have a better season next year. I don't think you can get any worse than Pole.:banger


I'd actually love to see Brantley come out of the booth and be the pitching coach, but he has no desire to do so.

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Nothing going on this offseason. Looks like no big signings or changes are going to occur. I have faith in Jocketty, but I think his plan is 2012 or beyond. We're gonna suck for the next two years at least.
At least our pitching will probably get better (especially Owings) as our new pitching coach shows a lot of promise over Dick Pole.

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Reds are shopping Harang and Arroyo to see what they can get. Not sure what they are looking for in return. Gammons says that it'll be hard to put Harang up, as no one knows if he can stay healthy. I'd hate to see Harang go, but Arroyo can go for all I care. He was the first one to go in my MLB'08 PSP game.:D

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I would love to hang onto Harang.

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Looks like they want to get rid of one just to dump payroll. No trade. Just get rid of salary expenses. Like Dan, I don't want to see Harang go. Arroyo on the other hand...

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Reds sign Chapman to a 5 year, $30 million deal. Lets hope the kid turns out to be something good. Sounds like this kid might not even have a chance at the big leagues for two years, but he is a 22 year old lefty with a high 90's fast ball. Could be untouchable but he sounds like a project, a $30 million project. Its too bad they still need a bullpen. :hm

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http://www.cigarasylum.com/vb/showthread.php?t=27162:tu

I still just don't have the confidence that everyone else seems to have about this kid.

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I really don't think it was a good signing. Then again, I really don't like Homer Bailey or any of their bullpen. :td

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It looks like the Reds one big move of the off season (thus far) is a giagantic gamble rather than going out to make their bullpen stronger or getting an offensive weapon. Lots of big free agents were out there and it seems like they didn't even take a 'swing' at it :hm

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Can't believe Dan isn't in the Reds thread talking about this 'great deal' as he is the eternal optimist. I am sure he will put them over the top and to the World Series this year. :r

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That's because Dan started a Reds 2010 thread where he posts.

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I don't think the Reds are nearly good enough for a new thread each season. Season threads are for whole sports, like NHL Season and College Football Season Threads. But I guess he will do whatever it takes to up that post count. :tu

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Either way works for me. So are we using this one or the new one? We gotta pick one.

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I don't really care. I think a new thread is better so you don't have to read all the old posts.

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Harsh!

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On the Reds or on Dan?:D

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Good question.

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I don't think anyone comes in and reads the whole thread. It is pretty much the same banter with the same people. Just stick to the "Reds Fan's Check In Thread" :tu

Dan, just admit you started a new thread to make more posts. :td

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Anyone think that the Reds actually have a shot at the Wild Card this year? :hm
Besides Dan ofcourse. :td

They haven't seemed to make any real good off season moves. I know they won't go after the large free-agents (similar to the Bengals) but it would be nice to see them actually make a few moves instead of trading away every decent player they have in the majors for all their Triple-A projects :bh

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:tpd:
Playoffs are always possible, but I don't think it'll be this year.

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Its only a matter of time before Votto is traded away for another '#1 prospect' like Jay (2 for 20) Bruce. :td

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We can't afford to keep Votto around after his contract is up. He'll be worth too much (providing he stays healthy and keeps up his current level of production).

Bruce isn't that bad. He'll get more consistent. Phillips, Bruce, and Votto are the heart of this team right now (not saying much for us). And Rolen.

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Bruce hit somewhere around .220 last season. Not bad for the kid who was supposed to replace Josh Hamilton. :td The problem is the Reds force young 'talent' into the majors before they are ready or despite the fact they will never be ready. :hm

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I'd rather have Bruce than Hamilton. Hamilton is the better player, but look what's happening to him again. I was angry about the Hamilton trade for a long time until we saw that he was turning back to his old lifestyle. Bruce doesn't have integrity problems and we don't have to worry about what condition he shows up to play in, or whether he shows up at all. Hamilton is a gamble.

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Here's an interesting column about the Reds and arbitration.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...itration+blues

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Interesting article. I really like Daugherty's articles. He came to my old high school (Elder) and talked to us one day. It was fun to pick his brain on different topics. The coolest speaker we ever had was Dan Patrick. He was hilarious!

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Daugherty's much more interesting than Fay.


I like Patrick's interviews in SI.

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Looks like Orlando Cabrera is going to be our starting SS this year. Janish is a better fielder but he doesn't have the bat. Cabrera is error prone, more than EE was when he played for us.:td

I say fugg 'em both and call up Frazier. Decent fielder and a decent bat.


It won't happen, but here's what I'd like to see as our 2010 starting lineup:

1. Dickerson CF
2. Frazier SS
3. Votto LF
4. Phillips 2B
5. Bruce RF
6. Rolen 3B
7. Alonso 1B
8. Hernandez C

Yeah, I know Votto should be on first, but we can't just let Yonder Alonso rot down in Carolina and Louisville. He's too good to be held back. If Dunn can play LF, then Votto can surely hold his own out there.

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The thing that scares me about kids from Triple-A is they don't develop there for some reason. Prime example is Homer Bailey, they throw the kid to the wolves in the big show and he gets eaten alive. Its like they never teach them anything on their way through the system and by the time they are forced to the top they aren't ready. :hm

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Homer didn't do too bad the last half of the year. I think he finally has his head on right. Now he actually throws a strike on the 1st pitch.

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It seems in our system that the best development comes out of AA Carolina. I agree that Louisville doesn't seem like the best place to develop talent (especially pitchers), although with the new pitching coach, that could change.
Homer worked out a lot of his problems late in the season. I only hope he remains that way going in to 2010.




And it looks like Cabrera is officially a Red, so Frazier is either out or part of the LF/CF platoon. Please don't let Tavares be in CF again...:hn

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Looks like we could have a pretty damn good infield this year with the addition of Cabrera

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I don't see us not holding on to Votto, imo he will and should be a staple of Reds baseball for a long time to come :2

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I hope this is true, but with teams with much bigger payrolls out there and Votto being predicted to be a superhero...

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Lets just hope the Reds pony up the cash to keep him

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http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/...=.jsp&c_id=cin

02/01/10 1:20 PM EST
Reds acquire Miles in four-player deal
Taveras dealt to A's but then designated for assignment

By Mark Sheldon / MLB.com
CINCINNATI -- The Reds acquired infielder Aaron Miles and a player to be named later from the A's on Monday for center fielder Willy Taveras and infielder Adam Rosales.

Taveras was promptly designated for assignment by Oakland.

The move followed an unsuccessful season in Cincinnati for Taveras, who was due to make $4 million in 2010, the final season of a two-year contract. In 102 games, he batted .240 with a .275 on-base percentage and 25 steals as the Reds' leadoff hitter.

Miles was also a disappointment in 2009 after he signed a two-year contract with the Cubs. He batted .185 in 74 games. The 33-year-old is due to make $2.7 million this season.

Over his seven big league seasons with the White Sox, Rockies, Cardinals and Cubs, Miles is a .282 career hitter with a .322 on-base percentage.

Taveras, who missed several games with various injuries, became more expendable once prospect Drew Stubbs reached the Majors in August. Taveras can only play center field and would have been of limited use from the bench.

Rosales, 26, batted .213 with four homers and 19 RBIs in 87 games during his rookie season. Known for his enthusiasm and hustle, he just spent the weekend with manager Dusty Baker as part of a Reds Winter Caravan tour.

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Thoughts? I hated Taveras, but really liked Rosales.

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This sounds like the stupidest move of the offseason. They should have just cut Taveras loose and let Stubbs take over. I hate to see Rosales go. He has the hustle and dedication to one day be a great player (although we have too many soon-to-bes right now). What position is Miles going to play? Infield positions are filled. Rolen, Cabrera, Phillips, and Votto. :hm
We traded a great prospect for trash?:hm

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Scratching my head on that one too Andy.

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I get it now. This is a payroll dump which helps pay for Cabrera.

Miles will be used like Janish, a late inning substitute for Cabrera and Rolen. Another utility player. Don't we have enough of these guys?

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Does any move that the Reds do ever make sense? :hm